in my previous post i should have included a link to our internal mentor site for finding a mentor. Who cut and paste buggy shit all over the codebase and don't know some of the things that a good L62 should know. Director can be applied to L65 or L66. :)Then, over the next 2 years, I learned the magic of 65: it's not just about playing *well* with others, it's about making every team you work with great and helping them do their best work. Let's compare answers answer is: your boss. So far, we all appear to have jobs, but man, what a shocker, I thought ours was one of the more stable teams.Not sure what happens to our Director, he seemed a bit shocked himself when he delivered the news today. 5. Add your salary anonymously in less than 60 seconds and continue exploring all the data. When your manager finally ask you to do X, you'll be nodding your head and saying, "yeah, totally, and here's my progress on X." My promotion to 63 came not when I helped my group out of one of their many nightmares but when I helped an uncle. Fourth, repeat ad infinitum. Levels are a bit easier to achieve in MCS. Risk and return are related. The Goldstars have already been canceled for this quarter.Next, I believe this post will most likely be useful for those who entered MS as intern/college hires. I've changed jobs but came back to the group that's been the most supportive. I was let go from Microsoft recently. 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Here are some things from my perspective.1. Microsoft Senior Director Software Engineering Manager Salary | $426K Let's Hear it for the Girl! I spent 5 years on level 61. YES, there are people who've been promoted due to politics. We have covered both technical and management track at Microsoft. That's why Microsoft is pissing away the monopoly that you inherited from IBM. "There is no greater de-motivator than a reward system that is perceived to be unfair. At Level 66, Microsoft employees reported that nearly 40% of compensation was in the form of cash and stock bonuses. Jobs are leveled, not people - make sure the job you have includes the scope needed for the level you want. Mar 26, 2018 2 Email@ elliereinker@gmail.com | Call@ 330-554-0249. If you're saying "Ah, dude, my boss is in the way of my promotion" then all I have to say is "Duuuude, your boss is the way to your promotion." This past year I had what I thought was an outstanding year, was given a 20%, but not promoted to L63. This means there are 24 distinct job levels at Microsoft. Do a great job and you are likely to revise their expectations for the following cycle. As long as that's the case, I doubt anything would change.The method that this is done is troubling also. But if you think you should be promoted and your manager doesn't, you shouldn't sit and seethe -- you must understand what it will take. Is this confirmed? Would they give you the level if you were not already a Microsoft employee? Really inspiring. Julien Belin - Senior Director Global Supply Chain - LinkedIn And in my experience they are *eager* to get your skills and your lower level payroll expense! Kudos to you for posting it. Avoid long-winded multi-point e-mails, boil down your points as succinctly and efficiently as possible. I'm at 62, have been for lo, these many years. It works like this: Senior (L64,63) - works on tactical efforts, writes code or works on projects autonomously, collaborates with others Excuses and griping and bemoaning aren't the stuff that L63 contributors are made of. Nothing you do is good, all you get is criticism. No manager can bail you out of "bad brand jail" past L625. Senior Director Levels at Microsoft 63 (Senior Manager) 64 Principal EM (Principal Director of Engineering) 66 Senior Director (67) GM, Partner (SDE Group Manager) 69 VP (70) Corporate VP (80) Executive VP (81) View 7 More Levels United States No region found, search all locations Greater Seattle Area San Francisco Bay Area View All Data What got you here ain't gonna get you there. I definitely want to read more soon.Sincerely yoursSteave Markson. If I'm going to be late delivering something, give folks advance notice.3. Being constantly re-orged is bad. Finally, I think my experience proves that people who may be on theslow track to advancement can turn things around with the right commitment and management. What I've learned is be very, very specific on your commits and accountabilites. Maybe everybody's aware of being "in lockdown" and keeping their heads down? The first levels came quickly with some sticking around 64 and 65 (half my career).I have always taken on and fixed problem areas that no one else wants to take on. So a sub role at L61 = corp L63 and vice versa.So from a sub perspective:L58 and below are relatively junior roles where you have zero influence outside of meeting your commitmentsL59 -> L60 is a tougher jump. I suspect the former because there's no point in a manager telling you that you got promoted when you didn't. This past year I had what I thought was an outstanding year, was given a 20%, but not promoted to L63. If you read CSPs this is the underlying message more or less. BG for a big PG in a medium/large sub)L63 = director, then onwards to GM etc62->63 is a tough jump where you need to take ownership for a business segmentYou can go up to L60 pretty easily by nailing commitments year on year and showing you can thrive on increased responsibility, after that it gets harder and you need to proactively lead and drive results that impact the wider business significantly.If you're in sales, it's pretty much all about the total quota you influenceIn my experience, my advice is:- network and help make other groups successful (ideally in a win/win context)- be proactive, propose and grab new challenges and be successful with them- deliver against the CSP's/commitments for the next level up, when you have mastered the current level- make your boss look good, and make his/her boss look good. Founded in 1969 by Dr. Bish Agrawal, ABC Consultants is the pioneer of organized recruitment services in India. But coming back is a HUGE IF, since I can't see ever going back the that cesspool of stupid. There is a comment about reporting to someone who is the same level as you are. I like such themes and everything that is connected to them. I came from .NET (no longer there), and there were plenty of Senior IC PMs and Devs.Are you in Test, Marketing or Documentation? This slighlty contradicts some of the other posts. But if you can collaborate with others you can help accomplish much more than youll ever be able to accomplish individually. Attack problems within your own areas of influence proactively and generate that same good vibe among peers. I sympathize with folks who feel they have been shafted however to quote a cliched saying: the common factor between you and all your problems is you. If you are level 64 and above, your relationship with your GM or VP or above.2) Your visibility to the GM or VP. Microsoft Salary. I heard that promotion budgets are significantly reduced at below 65 level. What now? I'm currently level 66 and started at level 59 (equivalent in old levels) 12 years ago. Think about it. Don't give up.I'd appreciate it if you'd do a similar post on the 65 to 65 transition. It's not easy. weeks to find another position within the company, otherwise they are laid off.Think that's known as a "RIF" not a "layoff" butwhat do I know? right?). Microsoft - Director, Level 65 at Microsoft | Glassdoor And to your boss. I have staff that are lvl 60 and get paid as much as folks that are lvl 62. It inspired me to write the following dissertation on the subject in hopes that it will be helpful. My experience, I joined MSFT at 63 and in 3.5 years I am at 65. For example, in order to be promoted to level 62, you, as a level 61, must already perform at a level 62 level for a long time. Ready? But on balance mgrs at MS get things right a lot more often than they get them wrong or we wouldnt be one of the most highly capitalized companies in the history of biz. Despite the fact you may be totally right, you can inadvertently be viewed as a negative person.Although your bosses are probably aware of the problems, they might be overwhelmed by the scope of the situation, and start getting annoyed at you for being the person always reminding them about the flaws. agree with positive suggestions here. By contrast high performers have a fairly accurate self assessment, but are slightly self critical of themselves as well as others. I am happy to be an L63, trying to get to L64 so I can relate.How I got here (I started as an industry hire 61 about 5 years ago):1. . Get yourself a formal or informal mentor who is already doing what you want to be doing. The skip level is totally nonchalant to her ways. Give the employee directives and start documenting when they fail so a case can be brought to get rid of them if it comes to that. But the clarity I have through the rear view mirror is staggering -- I was defining myself by what a bunch of poorly skilled managers thought, in a company that hadn't moved it's stock price in seven years. Youre hanging onto the bar swing back and forth feeling pretty secure. You will not know the difference.Steve Steve Steve given the state of the company, are you sure you don't have anything else more urgent to do? Normally this is acceptable but right now i smell lawsuit. The L65 guys are expected to influence outcomes, strategy and best practices on their entire VP level groups. Will a team that needs exactly the skills and interests that you have pass on you because of some HR guideline? It's a very rare thing that you'll find a manager who gives you the kind of actionable feedback you need to succeed without doing a whole lot of sleuthing and groundwork of your own to fill in the blanks. It is my observation that the most common place we see disillusioned learners in the product groups at MS is at level 62. Leak of Microsoft Salaries Shows Fight for Higher Compensation And a knife-fight for L65 (some other day). Wonderful. If you have a good manager he/she will ensure the relevant peers know all about it. Staff Software Engineer, Google Cloud Platforms, Senior Staff Software Engineer, Infrastructure, Principal Engineer, Developer Platform Systems, Senior Software Engineer, Mobile (Android), AR. Mine is inside sales Azure. That is, an S-shaped curve that is relatively flat at the bottom (slow start), then becomes very steep (steep acceleration), then becomes relatively flat again (plateau). Keep my word. To the person worried about being same level for 3.5 years don't sweat it. At a intl sub level a 63 is two ic to the GM. You know you want to get to that other bar, but that chasm in between is fraught with risk. I also agree with the requests to have a discussion related to 65+.Anyway, I have seen a very healthy discussion going on here, and most of the thoughts I wanted to share have been mentioned.