Carrying a handgun in a purse, particularly one that isnt designed specifically to carry a firearm, is problematic at best. I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. I didnt even touch it! The incident with the P320 - a contender for a major Canadian Armed Forces procurement of thousands of pistols and holsters that has a Aug. 3 deadline for industry proposals - occurred at JTF-2's Dwyer Hill training range just west of Ottawa. But that's not working in the P320, he said.
Sig P320 discharge while holstered | Sniper's Hide Forum Ron, TAMPA, Fla., July 27, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A 30-year veteran law enforcement officer with the Tampa Police Department (TPD) today filed a lawsuit against Sig Sauer, Inc., the maker of his. Bagnell is representing a number of the police officers who have filed suits against SIG for un-commanded discharges, but wouldnt disclose the exact number. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. Really, that JJA ship looks like something the folks at PlaySkool built, its terrible. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The cost of settlements will be passed on to us. Fair enough. L. LRRifleman . 00:03. But this time, the sound bites used were different. Covid ruined that gravy train for him but hes still doing the conventions. But SIG Sauer said it has rectified the issue with upgrades, including one made for the U.S. military which court documents, filed as part of one of the lawsuits, show resulted in substantial changes to the weapons internal design. 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. And many departments across the country have had to lower their standards for passing qualifications just to be able to hire on and keep officers. Weird how that might happen. The lawsuit, filed Wednesday on behalf of . The SIG P320, which has been manufactured since 2014, is known to go off without the trigger being pulled if it's dropped and lands on the ground at a certain angle. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. You should always use a real holster, or carry it condition 3 or 4 if its off-body. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. I could care but that came at the expense of reliability and safety. Thats why NY demanded the NY Trigger be installed on Glocks before theyd buy them. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? I guess none got her the attention she wanted and a national coverage so she went in for the bang. Its the expert who gets caught up in the routine and stops paying attention. Sig Sauer P220 Super Match. Likewise, having a finger in the trigger-guard, or a clothing draw-string, or a retention strap, or some other object, when holstering the gun exonerates the maker, as the gun is firing with a trigger press of sufficient energy and stroke as designed. The Glocks lack of a manual safety has caused untold thousands of needless cripplings and death. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. The suit also cites other occurrences of "un-commanded" discharges with the 320 while holstered. If it was so bad, why did the US Marines, who had the Glock, drop it in favor of the carry sized P320, the M18? The new guy sucks. The details are not out yet, but they use Glocks, and I will make a good bet that her trigger finger did the deed. 3. Instead we see a Sig that is ran by Mr. Cohen of Kimber fame have repeated quality and product development failures. 3. How about something more relevant. Which in and of itself is user error / misuse. Its hard to say yet but with anything follow the basic safety rules. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. Two, the plunger may have a propensity to remain partially raised, or staged, instead of returning fully to its secure position, lessening the energy necessary to move it and thus allowing less effort to do so. I also have a manual safety. Were not the only ones who have noticed the lawsuits. Their visceral hatred for that which they see as competition to their little golden calf god and their blind, myopic, childish self-identification with an external dynamic is hilarious! I was tempted to buy one at one time but no more. A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. And thats just my opinion. First I have no problem with the Mk 25 or any other Sig thats metal. They function as commanded every time. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. Aug 25, 2021 pluong91 said: Hello all users that plan on making a P320 Accidental Discharge Threads -We love our P320's and have done the research when these articles and lawsuits came out, we don't need you to tell us, we have done our due diligence. Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. They didnt see a problem at all and in fact, saw it as an upgrade over Glock. The guide rod is cheap and breaks, it has rotten front sights! converted to the Glock denomination, but are now screaming that the P320 is Too new, not worked out! 1.A rush to market, and as usual the blind greed of the gun companies who no longer test pistols before marketing them think it is cheaper (so the idiots think) to let the public test them. Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when its pointed at an extremity? The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. Seems a bit apologetic to me. Both versions of the ABC report included comments from Officer Hiltons attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell, who said, Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. Thats why the US Marines have Sigs. After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. I can say one thing for sure, the X on the side of the my is about is welcoming to me as grip zone was. The VIP screening with the meet and greet was like $600.
MPD guns fired on their own twice in 6 months - WISN Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. Thread starter ut755ln; Start date Oct 19, 2022; Forums. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. There used to be a problem, which is why Sig fixed it. The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? Look a fanboy. But it hardly indicts the P320 as a badly engineered weapon or that its worse than another brand. Second, pardon us if were more than a little skeptical that the P320 in question or any other handgun fired when it was out of battery. . Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. Third, Glock has had problems, too. As far as ships go, Im drawn to the original movie vessels because they look the most, to me, like something youd really see humans build in space in 300 years. Because its flat out bull**it. But breaking news here, skippy. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. So I think it is unconscionable, given the number of incidents of this gun defectively discharging without a trigger pull, would necessitate that someone order it to be recalled and only SIG can do that.. Once investigated a shot fired into a roll top desk. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. This highly trained Fibbie was doing flips while dancing (breakdancing? They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. Hes like the arrogant star QB on your favorite football teamyeah, you would never want to spend a weekend with him at the lake cabin, but your franchise would be little to nothing without him. What I can say is that article reads like a hit piece on the individuals who may or may not of made mistakes with their firearms from someone who worships at the alter of sig. If the gangster greed monger criminal Capitalvanians in the gun industry had their products under the jurisdiction of the consumer safety administration all the newer striker fired guns would never have been allowed on the market unless they had manual safeties and a safe take down system. They have hundreds of thousands of P320s in regular service now and, despite a search, we couldnt find a rash of reports of soldiers claiming their pistols are firing on their own. The same should hold true for the insane marketing of pistols like the totally unsafe Glock. Bravo. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. Heres the version of the report that ran later that night, during ABCs Nightline program . Liberal, Conservative. Its a novelty, its got issues! It was expensive. Companies stay silent Wheee!!.
Detective Brittney Hilton sues Sig Sauer after she says holstered P320 Great job, this threat needed some levity! For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh..
Sig Sauer to Settle Lawsuit Over Alleged Safety Glitch in P320 Pistol With the redesign, you would have to implement a LOT of force to move the trigger backwards. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. Each incident gives them more blood for their macabre dance, and another tic-mark for their context-free gun violence tally. They both underwent full testing but while the Sig was the cheaper handgun ($1.50), it also quoted higher costs for magazines and spare parts, boosting the overall cost of the acquisition. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! Thats just myopic brand lust on parade. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever.
Detective sues Sig Sauer after she says her holstered P320 handgun I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. But now, P320 is the subject. But Shatner? What exactly did Harrison mean by legal momentum? That isnt clear, but its easy to make an educated guess. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. three changes to the original design. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM But I hope Sig fights it until the bitterest of ends. Ironic that the trendsetters of yesteryear are trying to tear down the innovator of today because its Not perfected yet! and the Design isnt worked out!. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. On the other hand, would we also condemn him for violating Rule 2 if the bullet had travelled through his outside wall, entered the adjacent house, and killed a resident thereof, or would we maybe, just maybe, place some blame on the manufacturer who created the pistol? 01:10. Additional questions about the Voluntary Upgrade Program are answered in the FAQ. Its just that with hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of more than one-third of the countrys population including a lot of cops some number of negligent discharges will inevitably happen. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan My trust for Sig stopped after they produced the beloved Sig556xi Russian. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. Let us look at the history of other consumer products. Give me a break. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up.
Another p320 "accidental discharge" - The Armory Life Forum I carry one in my front pocket routinely. But the reality is that the military has been using the Sig P320 for almost 5 years and they show no signs of changing. No Warp core, just a quantum singularity, The engine was basically a dorm fridge. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! Thats deflecting from the real issue. Hilton has filed a $15 million lawsuit alleging the P320 has a serious design and manufacturing flaw. I would rather play handball with the Devil himself because if you deal with the Devil he will tell you that you agreed to lose your soul for a big box full of millions in cash. Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. Where is that defect now? There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. They passed every state and national drop test requirement out there. Canadian soldier. They are being replaced with Glocks. If this were a car, a phone, a refrigerator, it would have been recalled long ago. Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. Before the madness SIGS were expensive. Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. And on the flip side of the coin is the decades of denial by Remington on the 700 which Ive seen firsthand. abprototype.com can add the manual safety as well as add the notches in the grip frame. Capitol Police Officers Explanation for Shooting and Killing Ashli Babbitt Is Riddled With Problems, The City of Wichita Raked In Almost $200,000 Selling Seized Guns in the Last Five Years, State Judge Issues Order Blocking Enforcement of Illinois Firearms Ban Act Statewide, Federal Judge Grants Injunction Blocking Enforcement of ATFs Frame or Receiver Rule, Illinois Rep. Bob Morgan: Anything Stamped M&P is a Weapon of War, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/, https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g, https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan. Theyre the only product that is not. D. Its just dumb enough to sound like the plot to a damned Disney film. The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. And yes, if I pulled some of those stunts, Id have my membership revoked. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. Mine is very accurate. Sig P320 discharge while holstered. There was nothing wrong with the Glock action, it was a training issue. First, keep in mind that allegations made in lawsuits are not statements of fact. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. is the manual safety a kit you add? The thing is, youd probably need to generate many Gs of force in both directions simultaneously. TTAG talked to SIG Sauer about the P320 suits and the ABC reports. I dont own a P320. That a shirt tail or jacket cinch cord slips into a holster. This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. As they should. Too Many Accidents So I give a ton of credit to Shatner for reading the reality of what it was and in essence, saving it. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. If the latter were to occur, the drop safety would prevent discharge because it would not be pushed up by anything.
Sig Sauer Refuses to Recall Its P320 Handgun - The Stoddard Firm And they would not have done that for no reason at all. Yes, a lot of police officers only shoot when they have to for qual. 1) The p320 doesnt hold the striker fully to the rear. It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade.
About Those SIG P320 Lawsuits - The Truth About Guns I have no idea. SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. Its interesting that ABC chose to leave that point out of one of their reports. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. People who had problems have been replacing them with Lightning Strike SS ones. Slowly people are realizing they arent the only ones having issues. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong holster: SIG Sauer The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. Maybe its a technical issue, maybe its a training issue. Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces.
Detective Brittney Hilton sues Sig Sauer after she says holstered P320 2. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. No the devil went down to Georgia to learn how to play a fiddle. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. Ditto; that's what i was getting at earlier Bear007 Custom Aug 25, 2021 #18 And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. As for Seals they have their own contract with Glock but can carry anything they want. brakes, remember?
Marine vet ICE agent sues Sig Sauer for $10M claiming pistol shot him "It has a clear capacity to fire without the trigger being pulled under certain conditions," said Hilton's lawyer, Jeffrey Bagnell.
Why are Milwaukee police Sig Sauer guns accidentally going off? About $300. Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! While good firearms training and practices among law enforcement officers is certainly the case much of the time, weve seen far too many instances over the years of un-safe or downright dangerous practices by allegedly highly trained individuals to apply that kind of blanket endorsement to all cops or alphabet agency employees. A shame but then no one was hurt. When he put his hand on the grip, the weapon fired, according to the lawsuit. They cant even make claim to doing a twice a year qual. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. Sigs are crap! On Thursday, M.D. Yes, conspiracy to defraud is a thing when ones @ss is on the line. And the fact they used real models, and big ones, gives the ships a real sense of heft, mass, movement and solidity that the garbage CGI ships of the new movies just cannot remotely compete with. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. And as far as Special Forces go, SF going to Glock has been documented as a bean counters solution to save money. This leads me to conclude that the problem is not the gear but the moron using it. Miraculously, no one was hit by the bullet, which ricocheted around inside the vehicle. Sig makes a damn fine weapon and theres nothing wrong with it. Attorney Bagnell held up the law enforcement officers he represents as examples of people who are highly trained in carrying and using firearms. ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. And I suspect at end of day this recent P320 one will be identified as a negligent discharge or from weapons from 2017 where owners failed to . You simply may not PREFER one make to another, or may simply dislike another make, but were to the point in semi-auto pistol production history where amongst the big brands, the only real distinctions are preference. Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, The investigation revealed the use of an incorrect holster not designed for a [SIG] P320, said the statement, which was released Friday and posted to a U.S. online pro-industry publication, Soldier Systems. Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. I dont own a Glock or a SIG and am not a fanboy of either. Quite frankly, a sizable number of the LEOs that go there, would benefit from a Gun Safety 101 class. The Government mandated it to be made more safe to use and was. When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. First off, no joke on me. They didnt have to, but did. He wasnt aware of it until contacted earlier this week by CBC News and suggested it was relevant in ongoing litigation in the U.S. We look forward to reviewing the incident in discovery in the United States, he said Friday. My bet would be that someone had a fully loaded gun in a gym bag and a cloth or rag snagged the trigger. Too much MIM in that crap SIG, the old ones were great. BAM. I agree that Glock is sitting on their laurels and has been for decades. TidalWave Professional Aug 25, 2021 #17 Bassbob said: Somehow I seriously doubt the guns just shot themselves.
Sig Sauer P320 9mm Gun: The US Army Loves It But There Is a Problem This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. In 2021 you would think a company would understand MIM metallurgy. Plastic crap! You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging By Tom Knighton | 11:30 AM on October 30, 2021 AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast Several years ago, there was an issue discovered with the. There was no holster involved. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. Yaaay! Combine this with the complacency that comes with handling a firearm over-and-over again as you holster and unholster a firearm throughout the day, its not surprising that many of these officers are saying it just went off as a negligent discharge can cost them their job if it lead to serious injury or property damage. ABCs own hired consultant, who appears to have no dog in these fights, asserted that he could find no reasonable explanation for these claims and that he considers the upgraded P320 pistols safe for sale to law enforcement and the public. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. They habitually use their customers as the product testers by selling what are essentially prototypes while quietly implementing rolling revisions. Funny how that works.
Unlawful Discharge of a Firearm: Texas Laws - The Law Office of Greg DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. I own Serpa holsters in multiple configurations (1911, Beretta 96, H&K, Springfield, etc) for most of the time theyve been around and I NEVER had an ND. It did not originally have this. SIG Sauer, a German weapons maker with its U.S. headquarters in Newington, N.H., issued a statement Friday in response to a CBC News report earlier this week that revealed the Nov. 5, 2020, incident and the fact the weapon, the SIG P320, had been withdrawn from service while the military conducts an investigation. U.S. lawsuits hate to tell you this but most lawnmowers with the handle bar stop get tied down. This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin!
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